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The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! Its only your perception and I would deny it. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. Excellent post! JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. complete with standing ovation. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. Can I suggest an alternative standard? The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. Have mercy! Truth in love. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. I did read your comments. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. Ward's father, John Tucker, was also a member of the church who had been informed . I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. . You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." It happens. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. So it wasnt all bad. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. He is a ministry collaborator with . In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? Each person will answer to God for themselves. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . All rights reserved. The truth be told the Bible never once says it is wrong to have money or stuff. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. I'm a bank robber."[41]. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. A point you also mentioned. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Could you tell me the difference? An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. Marantha! But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. 4) Wrong on all counts. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. lq mk Conclusion: And now I wait. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. You can find the details here. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . (John MacArthur). The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. Were deeply grateful for that. You are just exporting your own. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . Sadly so. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Their influence has been growing and recently . For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. . John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. Opinion Preston Clegg. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. I can write the e-mails. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). Required fields are marked *. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). He was unable to preach the second service. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. by RELEVANT. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. Can I suggest a little more humility? Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. I will reply to them briefly. What a waste of a fantastic talent. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? We only do pale imitations of what is not great anyway! Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. pokmon the series xyz. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. See what mine own hands have wrought. Do you still endorse it? In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? Dear David, G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. Thanks for this. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. . False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. as there are with me. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. Sums it all up. 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